unitednations
03-08 03:17 PM
I agree that legislators are very aware of the difference between the H1b issue and the green card issue. Yesterday on CNBC, Larry Kudlow interviewed Sen. Grassley from Iowa on this topic. When Larry was asking about these workers contributing to society, buying homes, starting companies etc, Sen. Grassley told him he was mixing up two separate issues. Basically he only wanted to talk about the H1b issue.
The sad truth is these guys(like Sen. Grassley) are anti immigrant period(they give you all the blabber about I am 3 generations separated from immigrants etc. but that is quite simply them satisfying their conscience/the public conscience on this issue, I always wish the interviewer is an American indeginous Indian), and instead of saying so openly, they combine the issues when convenient and separate them out when not so. I agree with you that it is not because they are not aware. Right now their focus is on stomping out fraud, he mentioned cases of people coming on H1b and running laundromats, or working in different locations to what they are certified(ouch). The new quota that opens up on Apr. 1 will indeed be a watershed. I am expecting really restrictive and nasty legislation in time to greet this. I truly hope for very few applications, so the Hon. Sen. understands that this is a demand driven issue for the most part and fraud where it exists can be addressed but not with blanket legislation which effects can be unintended.
Nonetheless this issue of Country caps has become so draconian that if indeed the US changes its policy and institutes country caps on H1bs as your posting suggests they might in the end, then we will have things go in a certain direction.......protectionist, and there will doubtless be backlash. As it stands the current insensible policy is such that people come on H1b, settle into a job, have their US citizen kids, accumulate enough social security credits, savings etc and then facing an inordinate wait, perhaps even have to leave, what do you think the result is going to be? Well, the return to India where US employers given their US experience/education are more comfortable hiring them hence more outsourcing, then their US citizen Kids return for Gov't aid/loans to college, then they sponsor their parents to come in and receive social security and medicare etc. while their working contributions and taxes would have accrued to another country. Really? Does that sound like good policy?
If the US chooses to Cap Indian H1bs fine, let it be, however continuing such policy only leads to and effectual ban on EB green cards for Indians.
Very well written. I can tell you through my observations of living in this society for 35 years:
1) People leaving because of long wait is a losing argument. Available information doesn't back it up. We have had severe retrogression since 2005 (h-1b quota cases have finished in matter of days)
2)USA is destination of choice. 9 million people file through greencard lottery for 50,000 slots and the main populated countries aren't even eligible to file (ie., India, China, Pakistan, Canada, etc.)
3) Call it what it is: Employment base immigration is least impacted. It is the only class of immigrants who are allowed to work/live in USA while they wait for greencard. Just about every other class has to wait outside until their number is called. This is number one impediment to EB grievances.
4) Stating that one is paying taxes, etc., is also losing argument. You are comparing yourself to the people who are here unlawful. Paying taxes isn't some virtue, it is the law.
5) Country quotas is fundamental to US Immigration. Getting rid of it for one class; ie employment base without looking at the whole thing is waste of time (ie., lottery, family base, etc.).
Now I don't want to get people upset but let's look at some things that have happened since 2005:
There was considerable debate on immigration.com of how the country quotas work and spillover of visas. Depending on how you read the law you would keep coming up with different conclusions. One way was to look at it as hard cap of 7% across all 140,000 visas that is 10,000 or so and it didn't matter about eb1,eb2, eb3. Any unused visas from ROW in EB1 would not go to india but rather flow down to eb2 row and then eb3 row. That s unused would go vertical instead of horizontal.
In uscis fiscal year 2004 eb3 went unavailable in summer of 2005. Statistics showed that India went well over their 7% limit.
In USCIS fiscal year 2005 we had severe retrogression for India. Visa bulletin states that spillover will be vertical instead of horizontal. Statistics showed that India only received 10,500 visas
Now, fiscal year 2006 . We have slow movement in visa dates; it appears that they are going vertical with spillover. However, in July 2007 they make it current for everyone and India goes over the 7% limit.
Fiscal year 2007 it appears from visa bulletin that they are going to go horizontal instead of vertical. No statistics yet of how much went to India.
Therefore; department of state has changed policy, interpretation without law change. Talk to many lawyers and they will tell you that spillover is supposed to happen vertical instead of horizontal. indian nationals have been benefitted greatly by department of state changing it on their whim. You don't see many people from ROW on these boards bellyaching about this; or contacting senators, or threatening lawsuits do you?
This is something to think about? As people keep highlighting this issue and if they continually point it out to lawmakers and someone from ROW gets the birght idea to challenge department of state then it will make it worse for India. I don't foresee any change whatsoever in country quota limits; mainly because it is fundamental to immigration and fundamental things don't change very easily.
The sad truth is these guys(like Sen. Grassley) are anti immigrant period(they give you all the blabber about I am 3 generations separated from immigrants etc. but that is quite simply them satisfying their conscience/the public conscience on this issue, I always wish the interviewer is an American indeginous Indian), and instead of saying so openly, they combine the issues when convenient and separate them out when not so. I agree with you that it is not because they are not aware. Right now their focus is on stomping out fraud, he mentioned cases of people coming on H1b and running laundromats, or working in different locations to what they are certified(ouch). The new quota that opens up on Apr. 1 will indeed be a watershed. I am expecting really restrictive and nasty legislation in time to greet this. I truly hope for very few applications, so the Hon. Sen. understands that this is a demand driven issue for the most part and fraud where it exists can be addressed but not with blanket legislation which effects can be unintended.
Nonetheless this issue of Country caps has become so draconian that if indeed the US changes its policy and institutes country caps on H1bs as your posting suggests they might in the end, then we will have things go in a certain direction.......protectionist, and there will doubtless be backlash. As it stands the current insensible policy is such that people come on H1b, settle into a job, have their US citizen kids, accumulate enough social security credits, savings etc and then facing an inordinate wait, perhaps even have to leave, what do you think the result is going to be? Well, the return to India where US employers given their US experience/education are more comfortable hiring them hence more outsourcing, then their US citizen Kids return for Gov't aid/loans to college, then they sponsor their parents to come in and receive social security and medicare etc. while their working contributions and taxes would have accrued to another country. Really? Does that sound like good policy?
If the US chooses to Cap Indian H1bs fine, let it be, however continuing such policy only leads to and effectual ban on EB green cards for Indians.
Very well written. I can tell you through my observations of living in this society for 35 years:
1) People leaving because of long wait is a losing argument. Available information doesn't back it up. We have had severe retrogression since 2005 (h-1b quota cases have finished in matter of days)
2)USA is destination of choice. 9 million people file through greencard lottery for 50,000 slots and the main populated countries aren't even eligible to file (ie., India, China, Pakistan, Canada, etc.)
3) Call it what it is: Employment base immigration is least impacted. It is the only class of immigrants who are allowed to work/live in USA while they wait for greencard. Just about every other class has to wait outside until their number is called. This is number one impediment to EB grievances.
4) Stating that one is paying taxes, etc., is also losing argument. You are comparing yourself to the people who are here unlawful. Paying taxes isn't some virtue, it is the law.
5) Country quotas is fundamental to US Immigration. Getting rid of it for one class; ie employment base without looking at the whole thing is waste of time (ie., lottery, family base, etc.).
Now I don't want to get people upset but let's look at some things that have happened since 2005:
There was considerable debate on immigration.com of how the country quotas work and spillover of visas. Depending on how you read the law you would keep coming up with different conclusions. One way was to look at it as hard cap of 7% across all 140,000 visas that is 10,000 or so and it didn't matter about eb1,eb2, eb3. Any unused visas from ROW in EB1 would not go to india but rather flow down to eb2 row and then eb3 row. That s unused would go vertical instead of horizontal.
In uscis fiscal year 2004 eb3 went unavailable in summer of 2005. Statistics showed that India went well over their 7% limit.
In USCIS fiscal year 2005 we had severe retrogression for India. Visa bulletin states that spillover will be vertical instead of horizontal. Statistics showed that India only received 10,500 visas
Now, fiscal year 2006 . We have slow movement in visa dates; it appears that they are going vertical with spillover. However, in July 2007 they make it current for everyone and India goes over the 7% limit.
Fiscal year 2007 it appears from visa bulletin that they are going to go horizontal instead of vertical. No statistics yet of how much went to India.
Therefore; department of state has changed policy, interpretation without law change. Talk to many lawyers and they will tell you that spillover is supposed to happen vertical instead of horizontal. indian nationals have been benefitted greatly by department of state changing it on their whim. You don't see many people from ROW on these boards bellyaching about this; or contacting senators, or threatening lawsuits do you?
This is something to think about? As people keep highlighting this issue and if they continually point it out to lawmakers and someone from ROW gets the birght idea to challenge department of state then it will make it worse for India. I don't foresee any change whatsoever in country quota limits; mainly because it is fundamental to immigration and fundamental things don't change very easily.
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nc14
08-18 03:04 PM
Very well said.
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After reading lots of forums contributors, my 2 cents :
a) I think the first thing is ban those people who advise separation of interests or make invidual groups in forums.
As if things happening in india are not enough to divide people on all fronts, a new separation criteria is created here on EB1/EB2/EB3. A lot of us are very creative..wow !!
b) Initiative needs to be well spent and well thought. Its a forum for ideas and further on implementation. So, its for everyone. Taking initiative is not bad, go ahead, but walking tall on other peoples misery is not really very cool !!
People are waiting for 10 years in line, come on..think, if this happens to all of us..
c) Legal and illegal efforts. People accusing core of bank accounts withdrawls and all that nonsense, do not need any rebuttal.
The harshness of things is creeping in people, but pls. some sincerity is also needed.
I thank all of you who have worked hard for the benefit of all of us.
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After reading lots of forums contributors, my 2 cents :
a) I think the first thing is ban those people who advise separation of interests or make invidual groups in forums.
As if things happening in india are not enough to divide people on all fronts, a new separation criteria is created here on EB1/EB2/EB3. A lot of us are very creative..wow !!
b) Initiative needs to be well spent and well thought. Its a forum for ideas and further on implementation. So, its for everyone. Taking initiative is not bad, go ahead, but walking tall on other peoples misery is not really very cool !!
People are waiting for 10 years in line, come on..think, if this happens to all of us..
c) Legal and illegal efforts. People accusing core of bank accounts withdrawls and all that nonsense, do not need any rebuttal.
The harshness of things is creeping in people, but pls. some sincerity is also needed.
I thank all of you who have worked hard for the benefit of all of us.
psgupta9
05-23 04:39 PM
SORRY Fellas, I cannot send this out unless the provision for H1b nenewal be added to it. I know IVs main concern is reg the backlogged GC cases, however, I would request that future of the H1b should also be addresed. I now feel that even contributing to the IV was a mistake because you are not taking a broader view of this issue. Please try to include the clauses affecting H1bs also in your letters. Particularly simple technical aspects like renewing H1b beyond the 6 years period is a MUST and one of the things that can be MOST easily achieved if asked for.
Guys,
The H1B renewal beyond six years is very important. People's Labor has been Pending for 5 years or more. Mine has been pending for over 4 years now, and I am already on 10th year H1B.
The Section 419(D): which talks about AC21 for renewal is really important.
This Bill is being done, to help people who have not followed a single rule, and this thing is going to have people waiting in line, to be removed from the process is really unfair.
This should not be allowed.
Guys,
The H1B renewal beyond six years is very important. People's Labor has been Pending for 5 years or more. Mine has been pending for over 4 years now, and I am already on 10th year H1B.
The Section 419(D): which talks about AC21 for renewal is really important.
This Bill is being done, to help people who have not followed a single rule, and this thing is going to have people waiting in line, to be removed from the process is really unfair.
This should not be allowed.
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ramus
07-07 10:07 PM
who is up for DC?
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raghav0
09-24 01:03 PM
I cant believe that this kind of "Crab Mentality" would still exist especially now when we need to stop cribbing about these petty issues and unite to fight for our cause...Please GROW UP!!!
pooja_34
09-01 02:22 PM
I thought you were going to contact me in order to sue me ... As usual - another coward South Indian .....
Ignore her. She dozn't deserve a response...Seems to be a mental case
Ignore her. She dozn't deserve a response...Seems to be a mental case
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jkays94
06-26 02:02 PM
Unfortunately no community is safe from that irrational attacks of racism!
If you turn on your Hispanic TV networks , nowadays lots of Mexicans are
blaming Argentinian coach/ naturalized players on Football World Cup elimination!
Lots of them are demanding that non mexican born people are not allowed neither to coach nor to play for Mexico anymore!:eek:
Unbelivable!
Generalizations are dangerous, for your information it is not racism, the fear of foreigners is known as Xenophobia. Argentines are not that much different from persons from Mexico as to their ethnicity and racial composition. Secondly the views of a few angry callers should not get a country labelled for a social ill just as the minute men and some supremacist groups do not make the US predominantly racist. We're loosing the focus here, this is not about this country or that country its about the immigrant community and the challenges we collectively face.
If you turn on your Hispanic TV networks , nowadays lots of Mexicans are
blaming Argentinian coach/ naturalized players on Football World Cup elimination!
Lots of them are demanding that non mexican born people are not allowed neither to coach nor to play for Mexico anymore!:eek:
Unbelivable!
Generalizations are dangerous, for your information it is not racism, the fear of foreigners is known as Xenophobia. Argentines are not that much different from persons from Mexico as to their ethnicity and racial composition. Secondly the views of a few angry callers should not get a country labelled for a social ill just as the minute men and some supremacist groups do not make the US predominantly racist. We're loosing the focus here, this is not about this country or that country its about the immigrant community and the challenges we collectively face.
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a_yaja
06-26 02:44 PM
"Until and after 1 year" - how does it save me - the word "until"
please explain for me - Thanks Much ?
You can quit after six months and then if taken to a court of law, you can tell the court that the employer refused to give you employment letter and under duress, you were forced to sign the letter. Your other option was to pack bags and leave the country if the employer did not give you the letter. And you can argue that the law lets you change employer after 180 days and hence you are not breaking the law. You can also argue that if the employer had not acted in bad faith by refusing to give you employment letter, you would have continued to work for the employer.
Ofcourse, you will need a very good lawyer if you want to fight the case on moral grounds (because it may be more expensive to fight the case than just pay the amount agreed to in the letter).
please explain for me - Thanks Much ?
You can quit after six months and then if taken to a court of law, you can tell the court that the employer refused to give you employment letter and under duress, you were forced to sign the letter. Your other option was to pack bags and leave the country if the employer did not give you the letter. And you can argue that the law lets you change employer after 180 days and hence you are not breaking the law. You can also argue that if the employer had not acted in bad faith by refusing to give you employment letter, you would have continued to work for the employer.
Ofcourse, you will need a very good lawyer if you want to fight the case on moral grounds (because it may be more expensive to fight the case than just pay the amount agreed to in the letter).
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11-17 05:36 PM
Sent email to senators and congressman for both me and my wife.
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rpulipati
10-08 01:01 PM
PD should be established on the first labor application.
I feel this is more practical than number of years in US.
I feel this is more practical than number of years in US.
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abhisam
07-15 12:42 AM
I have finally received my FP notice today for my I-485. My case was NSC-CSC-NSC. Never made any service request.
I have recently applied (paper based) for renewal of EAD and AP. Not sure if that triggered the FP notice.
I wish good luck to those who are still waiting for FP notice.
When did u apply for your ead? i am in the same boat and have filed for paper based EAD. hope to get my fp notice soon.
I have recently applied (paper based) for renewal of EAD and AP. Not sure if that triggered the FP notice.
I wish good luck to those who are still waiting for FP notice.
When did u apply for your ead? i am in the same boat and have filed for paper based EAD. hope to get my fp notice soon.
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06-14 02:36 PM
Did any one filed on june 1 and still waiting for RD notice
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reddymjm
06-12 07:18 PM
I got my receipts by mail on monday and checks cashed last friday. But my wifes did not clear yet. any one in similar situation please post.
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abq_gc
08-19 12:13 PM
My 2 paisa ( though it has no value anymore anywhere)
First and foremost we have to realize that we are fee paying customers to USCIS. We have a right to demand better customer service. The reports and other kind of data they are releasing currently is an insult to the high skilled immigrant community. It is time we call out that the king (USCIS) has no clothes. They have been feeding us garbage disguised as reports and offical data. Anybody with a high school degree would say that the reports and data provided have zero value since they are not complete.
How do we get the right kind of information from USCIS?
Here are the steps
a) Send letters to the Dept chief asking for the data we need and wait for 3-4 weeks for a response. ( Data we should ask for, apps pending with PD's and EB category for every month starting from 1998)
b) Send another letter to the President and copy USCIS chief on that. Wait for another 3-4 weeks
c) If we do not get any satisfactory information after the previous 2 steps and 2 months of waiting, we should do a relay protest in DC and in front of all the USCIS centers until they provide us with the exact data.
By doing this we woould have put enough spotlight on USCIS and also our problmes would have got enough coverage in the media. From here we can try and work with the various agencies to push for our other agendas. Now we will have a clearer picture of what the situation is and ask for the right things. At the same time the agencies will have the better information with them to look in to our issues.
Comments are welcome.
I agree.. the amount of fees paid to USCIS keeps on increasing every year and the customer service degrades proportionally every year.. they need to understand that they are there for US(the legal immigrant community).. we have to make USCIS's proceedings more transparent and make them more accountable.. whats happenening with EB2-I can very well happen with EB-3 in the future...once they become current....
First and foremost we have to realize that we are fee paying customers to USCIS. We have a right to demand better customer service. The reports and other kind of data they are releasing currently is an insult to the high skilled immigrant community. It is time we call out that the king (USCIS) has no clothes. They have been feeding us garbage disguised as reports and offical data. Anybody with a high school degree would say that the reports and data provided have zero value since they are not complete.
How do we get the right kind of information from USCIS?
Here are the steps
a) Send letters to the Dept chief asking for the data we need and wait for 3-4 weeks for a response. ( Data we should ask for, apps pending with PD's and EB category for every month starting from 1998)
b) Send another letter to the President and copy USCIS chief on that. Wait for another 3-4 weeks
c) If we do not get any satisfactory information after the previous 2 steps and 2 months of waiting, we should do a relay protest in DC and in front of all the USCIS centers until they provide us with the exact data.
By doing this we woould have put enough spotlight on USCIS and also our problmes would have got enough coverage in the media. From here we can try and work with the various agencies to push for our other agendas. Now we will have a clearer picture of what the situation is and ask for the right things. At the same time the agencies will have the better information with them to look in to our issues.
Comments are welcome.
I agree.. the amount of fees paid to USCIS keeps on increasing every year and the customer service degrades proportionally every year.. they need to understand that they are there for US(the legal immigrant community).. we have to make USCIS's proceedings more transparent and make them more accountable.. whats happenening with EB2-I can very well happen with EB-3 in the future...once they become current....
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mnkaushik
08-26 02:37 PM
I sent an email to my congressman immigration staffer on Monday, about my spouse's case ( EB2 I, Dec 2005). Got a snail mail yesterday that they did not get a response and are still waitng for a response. Today, i called their office and they said they got a response and the case is assigned to on officer and wait till September 10th. My wife had spoken to 2 tier support on Auguts 5th who said your case is assigned to an officer and you are pre adjucated. We also got a response to our SR created on August 5th, which says case under review. I guess the wait goes on.
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nc14
09-10 04:10 PM
psaxena, you are right on money. I am waiting to see a reply from gvenkat and TeddyKoochu.
I doubt they will respond though.
The only way out is to either go back or get together in a group and help IV to move ahead..
THATS THE ONLY , REST EVERY SUGGESTION WITHOUT THIS IS BULLSHIT.
QUOTE=TeddyKoochu;874115]I fully agree with this suggestion. This will greatly alleviate the suffering of the population who missed Jul 07 irrespective of EB2/EB3. The only way we can get the interim benefits (EAD/AP) is that the date crosses our PD's again which in the pre-adjudicated world is going to take a while. Any thoughts suggestions welcome.[/QUOTE]
I doubt they will respond though.
The only way out is to either go back or get together in a group and help IV to move ahead..
THATS THE ONLY , REST EVERY SUGGESTION WITHOUT THIS IS BULLSHIT.
QUOTE=TeddyKoochu;874115]I fully agree with this suggestion. This will greatly alleviate the suffering of the population who missed Jul 07 irrespective of EB2/EB3. The only way we can get the interim benefits (EAD/AP) is that the date crosses our PD's again which in the pre-adjudicated world is going to take a while. Any thoughts suggestions welcome.[/QUOTE]
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ub27
07-24 08:56 AM
Paper filed at TSC on May 22, 2008
Service center: TSC
Last LUD on May 29
No updates since.
Currently working on EAD and exires in Sept 2008
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Just called the service center and reply I got back was weird. Apparently their case status viewing system is down and will not be up and running for another 1 week. So, no info as of now and call back in 1 week :(
Service center: TSC
Last LUD on May 29
No updates since.
Currently working on EAD and exires in Sept 2008
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Just called the service center and reply I got back was weird. Apparently their case status viewing system is down and will not be up and running for another 1 week. So, no info as of now and call back in 1 week :(
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tikka
07-09 10:04 AM
Can we have this event scheduled for major cities in other parts of US? What day are we looking for this rally? (14th July??)
I can gather 100+ people from Chicago..
thats awesome!! you should post this on the chicago thread.
I can gather 100+ people from Chicago..
thats awesome!! you should post this on the chicago thread.
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priti8888
10-08 03:55 PM
There is no FIFO in current system. There NEVER WILL BE as long as so-called Chargeability areas ( country quotas) exist. Mark my words, we may at best get the quota extended to 10% (if STRIVE or something similar passes), but the quotas are here to stay. Guy from a so-called ROW country will always get his GC ahead of you.
Have you read about 'Alternate Charegeability'? Read about it in Mathew Oh's website. It means a guy/gal from India can marry a Sri Lankan or Pakistani and use his/her country as chargeability! A person is getting ahead of others by marrying outside your country! What's your brilliant idea to stop that. I can already see some guys posting 'IV should make banning marriage outside the chargeability their Top #1 agenda, as people use it to cut the line'
What you guys really mean by FIFO here is ' a guy/gal from my country who applied after me, who cannot use alternate chargeability or marry an American citizen to cut the line, should not get GC before me'! ( FBI name check , EB1/2/3 etc. be damned)
Did I get you correctly?
How many Indians do you know who have married sri lankans or pakistanis??? Its rare and its not worth making an issue.
India/China has huge population and therefore the number of applications far exceed ROW. Now who is to blame? Our parents? Our nation? Our politicians?
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Have you read about 'Alternate Charegeability'? Read about it in Mathew Oh's website. It means a guy/gal from India can marry a Sri Lankan or Pakistani and use his/her country as chargeability! A person is getting ahead of others by marrying outside your country! What's your brilliant idea to stop that. I can already see some guys posting 'IV should make banning marriage outside the chargeability their Top #1 agenda, as people use it to cut the line'
What you guys really mean by FIFO here is ' a guy/gal from my country who applied after me, who cannot use alternate chargeability or marry an American citizen to cut the line, should not get GC before me'! ( FBI name check , EB1/2/3 etc. be damned)
Did I get you correctly?
How many Indians do you know who have married sri lankans or pakistanis??? Its rare and its not worth making an issue.
India/China has huge population and therefore the number of applications far exceed ROW. Now who is to blame? Our parents? Our nation? Our politicians?
Labour substituition----Now thats bad...but its no longer allowed
cal97
11-06 06:19 PM
Yes.
has it been more than a month since you opened SR??
has it been more than a month since you opened SR??
zoooom
07-20 12:02 PM
Thanks Zooom, for starting this thread. I've mentioned about IV Core's selfless service in our 'Thanks' thread couple of days ago but didn't know about the magnitude. $64k is helluva money and its just not right coming from one pocket to favor thousands of others. Aman and other core, day by day you raise above and beyond our imaginations as a leader and guide. We assure you that you will not pay another single dime from your pocket.
I pledge $100 to Reimburse the core team now and more later.
And I am sure with the kind of response we have been getting it won't be hard to raise a significant amount....
I pledge $100 to Reimburse the core team now and more later.
And I am sure with the kind of response we have been getting it won't be hard to raise a significant amount....
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